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Sunday, February 2, 2014

Addressing Jew hate again

One of the quickest ways to find Jew haters is to go to an online forum where questions are asked about Jews and Judaism.  On forums not moderated properly and where their own Terms of Service that prohibit hate speech are not followed despite proper reporting of abuses by many users, it is easy to see that Jew haters use such questions as opportunities to disseminate hate speech and try to infect others with their own inner turmoil.

A worn out question asking Jews what we think of Jesus started all of the following  under a fifth time it was asked on the same forum in one week.   It had been asked and answered four times that week already, but the missionaries were not satisfied because each one had been answered with an actual Jewish view. Jews answered all pretty much the same to the obvious, that Jesus isn't any part of our religion and other than that there is no official stance on the objects of worship of other religions except to note that God forbids Jews to worship them.  Jews are commanded to worship our incorporeal Creator with whom we have an eternal covenant and we are obligated to honor God in living the purpose of our covenant.  The New Testament replacement theology is meaningless to believing Jews, just as all other religions are meaningless to our faith and our path in life. Individuals opinions on whether or not Jesus as depicted in the New Testament are not doctrine and Jews answering questions about what Jews believe really shouldn't be attacked on a forum that supposedly has rules prohibiting hate speech, yet what we see there is that most often the people who display greatest contempt for Torah and Jews often pose as Jews to do so to claim they're just a schism of Judaism and "other" Jews hate them for their beliefs. That is as egregious a lie as their lies about Judaism and Torah.

The following is in response to someone who professes to be a Jew, yet has spent years on an online forum posting disruptive misinformation about Jews every day.

 What will appear below is an edit to an answer I've given that addresses yet another personal attack, attack upon all of Judaism, Torah and all practicing and believing Jews.  He believes Jesus is a god incarnate and despite the fact he was not born to a Jewish mother and has professed that he was a prophet of Jesus, who told him to say the things he says he claims he's more of a Jew than anyone else. Therefore, it is obvious his claim of being a Jew is false and while I believe he is delusional and in need of mental help with the voices in his head that tell him to make up such absurd and bizarre lies about what I and others believe and say in the face of our words that contradict his fallacies, IF it were true that Jesus told him to say those things, that in itself would be all the objective evidence anyone would need to know not to worship him. However, I do not believe that Jesus exists as the New Testament depicts. I know that God, nor any agent of God would entice someone to lie about others, and therefore his display provides objective evidence against him despite his claims.

Now..to what I had wanted to post but there wasn't room permitted:

edit: Despite ( screen name withheld) desperate attempts his displays have provided objective evidence to show why Jesus worship is irrelevant to believing Jews.  He used to profess to being a prophet of his god, Jesus, now he claims God raised a Jewish messiah from the dead but since Jesus was never a messiah his claim is nonsensical to Judaism. I do not believe that happened, either since if that happened, why did no one contemporary to the events write about it? Of course he's talking about Jesus, so he and the millions of Christians who believe Jesus to have been resurrected are still faced with the dilemma of knowing he did nothing God promised of the Davidic messiah Their doctrine had to redefine the whole concept. I trust what God told us what the Davidic messiah whose humble rule ushers in what we know as the "messianic age" will do and Jesus did none of it.  If you're focused on God in the Jewish scriptures you wouldn't worship Jesus or rely on a man as a sacrifice for sin. Tell the prophets Isaiah, Jeremiah, Micah and Nehemiah that there is a dichotomy regarding God and community in Torah. Yet the personal attack lying about me and all believing Jews is the most convincing objective evidence of his deep obsessive contempt for everything honest and Torah itself. His deepest issue certainly appears to be with God whose words in Torah he openly rejects here before everyone by open displays to of projecting upon Jews that which he rejects.. He project to believing Jews who refuse to reject what God promised us about the Davidic messiah with an insane lie that we are without messianic belief. "Non Messianic Jew" could only possibly and honestly apply to the few Jews who reject God's promise of the Davidic messiah and to those fewer still who reject it to worship Jesus as a god. Of course  ( screen name omitted) is not a non messianic Jew since he meets no criteria to be a Jew. He is not a messianic Jew in any honest sense because he rejects Judaism’s messianic belief from the Hebrew Bible and instead is a Gentile believer in the Christian Old and New Testament’s redefinitions.  When Christians who hold contempt for Jews try to deflect the insulting nonsensical  label of “non messianic” to say it means Jews who do not believe in Jesus they are displaying entitlement belief they can redefine Judaism and Jewish law and negate God’s prophecies in the Hebrew Bible despite what God commanded. 

 Lying about what I believe with nonsense that  has never appeared even remotely in anything I've ever professed or written reveals contempt for  God who commands do not bear false witness, not to mention disrespect to a fellow human.
"Without a communicated covenant from God, you have no Jew" the person  displays openly there that he completely rejects that all Israel was present to witness God's presence at Sinai, that's fine, but to lie that all the world's Jews reject it is once again, projection on his part.  Judaism exists despite the claims of 2000 years of Christian dogma because God calls our covenant eternal and the eternal Torah has kept us intact. Lying about Jews in Yahoo does not make Judaism or the millions of believing and practicing Jews disappear, they only reveal the liar to have contempt for the things they lie about . He proves he cannot speak for the Jewish people when he makes charges that we believe things insulting to Judaism and our covenant's purpose.  Despite having had it explained in detail to him countless times over the years, he still repeats  that Jews do not know what our purpose is, and that appears to be because he reject God's purpose for Israel as the Torah reveals it, revealing his issue is really with God’s words in the
Torah and to all Israel, much more than his projections upon believing Jews.  I know he will continue to carry on as usual, he’s  doing a bang up job to show the world how much the covenant's purpose is still so needed in the world

Once again, I know that by giving someone who shows such extreme and obsessive hate to Jews such attention I have likely inspired him to feel justified to escalate his behavior even more.  This is simply a risk I will take to show what Jews are facing with increasingly disturbing "acceptance" by their fellow Christians. Why are so few other Christians not speaking out to this insanity? 

I am always happy when I see Christians who DO disown this type of behavior as not inspired by their belief in Jesus. 
I know that my Christian friends think I'm misguided not to believe as they do, but thank God, they've softened their view from believing that Jews and others who don't ...deserve eternal torture and any and all attacks they receive are deserved because of it..to believing more Jewishly actually..that there is a purpose for every people.  God has a purpose of Jews and the New Testament isn't it.   The world will be a nicer place if they'd simply accept that rather than waste their lives in devising nefarious ways to eliminate Judaism instead.  Think of all the wonderful things that could be accomplished in the world if the Hebrew Christians and mainstream churches and Christians that have supported them with donations could do ..if they took the more than 100 million dollars that was raised last year ALONE  from the top 10 various "Messianic Jewish" movements that fraudulently claim to be Jews and want to convert Jews to worship Jesus so he will return....and placed that money in charities.

If you don't believe the money was that much ( I think I've UNDER estimated it) go look like I did for the financial statements for their organizations. The Jews for Jesus group, one that they claim is one of the SMALLEST, raised more than 25 million last year according to their financial officer.

also see the writing here about the insulting antisemitic tag "Non-Messianic" to refer to believing Jews and what it logically implies about those who insist upon referring to the Jewish people who refuse to abandon Judaism's messianic belief for that of Christian dogma.


At the question I was adding this to address a Jew haters disruption, as often happens, seemed to draw other offal. 

the following addresses a different person, also notorious for obsessively appearing under questions asking Jews what Jews believe and think , who is not only not Jewish to give Jewish opinion, but repeatedly gives willful misinformation and insulting ad hominem to deflect from honest answers about Judaism. 

Below I give a reply to the nonsensical deflection asking me if I believe if Torah "saves" me and preaching Christian dogma about their concept of salvation that is antithetical to Torah and the purpose of the covenant of Israel that is a path of living as an example to the nations in striving to justice, mercy, righteousness and compassion, restoring the world to a state of holiness.  The covenant is a path that honors God's gift of life and the lives to follow our own.  The dogma of the NT rejects the justice and personal and collective accountability of God's creation to God and one another for appeasement of an incarnate deity whose human sacrifice placates and "atones" for all sins, past, present and future.  However, that is egregiously anti Torah since God calls human sacrifice an abomination in Torah and told Moses no man takes on the sin of another.

The Christian concept of salvation is absent in the Torah. There is no burden of sin that I was born with that needs an abominable human sacrifice to appease any foreign incarnate deity who was claimed to have placed it there in the first place. Your arrogant ignorance to ask me to understand what you reject is almost palapable in your contempt for the words of Jeremiah and Isaiah who upheld the covenant and did not entice people to reject it to worship a man as a god incarnate. There is nothing positive the NT has to offer that I could possibly obtain by turning my back upon my Creator, the words of the prophets and the covenant God established with Abraham. You are free to worship Jesus.  I'm free to worship the Creator he was depicted as crying out to while hanging on the cross.  Thousands of Jews who were crucified did likewise. Jews don't worship any of them.